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		<title>By: delos</title>
		<link>http://comicfencing.com/2008/10/17/daniel-craig-is-james-bond/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>delos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting information on the history of the word cartoon, Sly. It explains some things to me that I've always been curious about. It explains why we're still stuck with the negative connotations of that word cartooning, for example. It's not real art until it's done in some 'accepted media' like paint on a canvas. (I find that ridiculously short-sighted. Sigh. I'll rant about that forever, I suspect.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting information on the history of the word cartoon, Sly. It explains some things to me that I&#8217;ve always been curious about. It explains why we&#8217;re still stuck with the negative connotations of that word cartooning, for example. It&#8217;s not real art until it&#8217;s done in some &#8216;accepted media&#8217; like paint on a canvas. (I find that ridiculously short-sighted. Sigh. I&#8217;ll rant about that forever, I suspect.)</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm always having to argue for that rule. But I maintain it in the sense that it is much easier to successfully spoof something serious. The Bond-like super-spy is so devalued as a serious idea that it makes spoofing rather pointless. I maintain the same effect occurs with Superman/Spiderman - difficult to spoof because any possible joke is already acknowleged in the original work. The jokes in Bond exist perhaps only in a modern reading, but it's still difficult to make them much funnier than they already are in the original. I laugh at the books all the time because the humour is in them is often unintentional. They are pulp after all - not great works of fiction. Bond is often referred to as occasionally feeling gay in the books - different times, different meanings. Read the end of 'Diamonds Are Forever' - it's hard to believe it wasn't written by Chuck Jones. Hilarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always having to argue for that rule. But I maintain it in the sense that it is much easier to successfully spoof something serious. The Bond-like super-spy is so devalued as a serious idea that it makes spoofing rather pointless. I maintain the same effect occurs with Superman/Spiderman - difficult to spoof because any possible joke is already acknowleged in the original work. The jokes in Bond exist perhaps only in a modern reading, but it&#8217;s still difficult to make them much funnier than they already are in the original. I laugh at the books all the time because the humour is in them is often unintentional. They are pulp after all - not great works of fiction. Bond is often referred to as occasionally feeling gay in the books - different times, different meanings. Read the end of &#8216;Diamonds Are Forever&#8217; - it&#8217;s hard to believe it wasn&#8217;t written by Chuck Jones. Hilarious!</p>
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		<title>By: Sly Eagle</title>
		<link>http://comicfencing.com/2008/10/17/daniel-craig-is-james-bond/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>Sly Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, there are books? I guess I should have known that. I haven't seen Austin Powers either. I think I can sum up my Bond exposure with... I saw &lt;i&gt;Get Smart, Again! when I was a kid...twice, I think as my parents had it on video, but I don't think I knew about Bond then; in &lt;i&gt;Catch Me if You Can&lt;/i&gt;, Leonardo DeCaprio impersonates Sean Connery in the role of Bond for a one-liner; the common room my first year of college had an N64 on which a few of the guys played Goldfinger when no one else was playing Mario Cart; and, uhm, Oh! I &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; see &lt;i&gt;Casino Royale&lt;/i&gt;, which mostly struck me as silly. Everyone I know swears Daniel Craig's the best Bond and I'm happy to take everyone's word for it.

Now, Bond is culturally significant enough that even someone who's been living under a spy thriller rock like I have knows that his agent number is 007, he's a British secret agent with a license to kill, he likes martinis and sex, and his stories are set in the Cold War. At least, this is what I've gathered.

Now, I &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; seen all the Indiana Jones films (although Temple of Doom sucked, okay? It just...sucked). But I'm also a sucker for Harrison Ford's lopsided smile. :)

You can spoof a spoof, I think, otherwise why would it be so popular to do so? At least, I'm used to seeing it because my br--I mean, those guys I know seem to think it's hilarious.

I also understand what you mean by "cartoon" not "comic," and I will attempt to explain to Delos:

History! "Cartoon" originally meant nothing like what it means today. It originally meant "low-quality drawing." It's a step up from a sketch. A sketch is an incomplete idea, while the cartoon is the full idea, waiting to be transferred into the final medium (fresco, oil painting, tapestry, etc). They were called "cartoons" because of the kind of paper they were drawn on (Italian: "cartone"). With the onset of modern printing, cartoon drawings became a lot more prevalent as a finished artform, and often appeared in magazines and newspapers as gag-strips, usually political (we still call them Editorial Cartoons). Early animation and early comic strips were drawn in a similar style, and &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; were called "cartoons". Creators of comic strips are still called "cartoonists". As both forms developed, Americans, as we are want to do, wanted different terms for each form and started calling the animation "cartoon" and the static strip form "comic". In the UK, however, I believe there is still no distinction. Both are "cartoons" and "comic" refers to "comic book." As I understand it, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, there are books? I guess I should have known that. I haven&#8217;t seen Austin Powers either. I think I can sum up my Bond exposure with&#8230; I saw <i>Get Smart, Again! when I was a kid&#8230;twice, I think as my parents had it on video, but I don&#8217;t think I knew about Bond then; in </i><i>Catch Me if You Can</i>, Leonardo DeCaprio impersonates Sean Connery in the role of Bond for a one-liner; the common room my first year of college had an N64 on which a few of the guys played Goldfinger when no one else was playing Mario Cart; and, uhm, Oh! I <i>did</i> see <i>Casino Royale</i>, which mostly struck me as silly. Everyone I know swears Daniel Craig&#8217;s the best Bond and I&#8217;m happy to take everyone&#8217;s word for it.</p>
<p>Now, Bond is culturally significant enough that even someone who&#8217;s been living under a spy thriller rock like I have knows that his agent number is 007, he&#8217;s a British secret agent with a license to kill, he likes martinis and sex, and his stories are set in the Cold War. At least, this is what I&#8217;ve gathered.</p>
<p>Now, I <i>have</i> seen all the Indiana Jones films (although Temple of Doom sucked, okay? It just&#8230;sucked). But I&#8217;m also a sucker for Harrison Ford&#8217;s lopsided smile. <img src='http://comicfencing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You can spoof a spoof, I think, otherwise why would it be so popular to do so? At least, I&#8217;m used to seeing it because my br&#8211;I mean, those guys I know seem to think it&#8217;s hilarious.</p>
<p>I also understand what you mean by &#8220;cartoon&#8221; not &#8220;comic,&#8221; and I will attempt to explain to Delos:</p>
<p>History! &#8220;Cartoon&#8221; originally meant nothing like what it means today. It originally meant &#8220;low-quality drawing.&#8221; It&#8217;s a step up from a sketch. A sketch is an incomplete idea, while the cartoon is the full idea, waiting to be transferred into the final medium (fresco, oil painting, tapestry, etc). They were called &#8220;cartoons&#8221; because of the kind of paper they were drawn on (Italian: &#8220;cartone&#8221;). With the onset of modern printing, cartoon drawings became a lot more prevalent as a finished artform, and often appeared in magazines and newspapers as gag-strips, usually political (we still call them Editorial Cartoons). Early animation and early comic strips were drawn in a similar style, and <i>both</i> were called &#8220;cartoons&#8221;. Creators of comic strips are still called &#8220;cartoonists&#8221;. As both forms developed, Americans, as we are want to do, wanted different terms for each form and started calling the animation &#8220;cartoon&#8221; and the static strip form &#8220;comic&#8221;. In the UK, however, I believe there is still no distinction. Both are &#8220;cartoons&#8221; and &#8220;comic&#8221; refers to &#8220;comic book.&#8221; As I understand it, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think that there is a gag or a pun left in the James Bond canon that hasn't already been mined and processed and sold on. Isn't there some old rule that you can't spoof a spoof. 

As an aside I'm a huge fan of the books - a product of the fifties, not so much the movies - a product of the sixties. It's only a few years but a huge cultural gulf. A spoof like Austin Powers relies on the movies but can't even get close to the books. And it one of the reasons I love Daniel Craig in the role. He really captures the obsessive suicidal bitter unreconstructed thug that Bond is (was).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that there is a gag or a pun left in the James Bond canon that hasn&#8217;t already been mined and processed and sold on. Isn&#8217;t there some old rule that you can&#8217;t spoof a spoof. </p>
<p>As an aside I&#8217;m a huge fan of the books - a product of the fifties, not so much the movies - a product of the sixties. It&#8217;s only a few years but a huge cultural gulf. A spoof like Austin Powers relies on the movies but can&#8217;t even get close to the books. And it one of the reasons I love Daniel Craig in the role. He really captures the obsessive suicidal bitter unreconstructed thug that Bond is (was).</p>
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		<title>By: Sly Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sly Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh. I gave it the benefit of the doubt that the reference jokes might actually be funny (haven't seen Bond, really, so any references there were to that would have fluttered by like...something that is invisible). Guess I was wrong, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. I gave it the benefit of the doubt that the reference jokes might actually be funny (haven&#8217;t seen Bond, really, so any references there were to that would have fluttered by like&#8230;something that is invisible). Guess I was wrong, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Eben07 &#187; Archive &#187; Reviewed by the Staff at ComicFencing.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eben07 &#187; Archive &#187; Reviewed by the Staff at ComicFencing.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eben07</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eben07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi mike, 
I just wanted to thank you for the review and hope that we didn't drive you too mad. :)

In terms of the cartoony aspect -The cartoon feel you are getting is absolutely intentional. At first, when the I.C.A. was mandated to declassify records, I suggested we make a cartoon, however, due to budgeting and production costs - it wasn't a realistic endeavor. So I think you are entirely right in saying it has cartoon and as Delos points out a storyboard feel to it. We are ::hoping:: and I can't stress hope enough, that at some point we'll be able to convert some of these comics into animated shorts - and do both comic and animation - but that is still far far down the road.

At any rate, I hope that if you take a second look, maybe you'll see some of the merits and we won't drive you to "not actually liking webcomics anymore". 

Thank you again for taking the time to do the review. It is always a pleasure to read about somebody's experience with our comic and the I.C.A. and I know the staff appreciates it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi mike,<br />
I just wanted to thank you for the review and hope that we didn&#8217;t drive you too mad. <img src='http://comicfencing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In terms of the cartoony aspect -The cartoon feel you are getting is absolutely intentional. At first, when the I.C.A. was mandated to declassify records, I suggested we make a cartoon, however, due to budgeting and production costs - it wasn&#8217;t a realistic endeavor. So I think you are entirely right in saying it has cartoon and as Delos points out a storyboard feel to it. We are ::hoping:: and I can&#8217;t stress hope enough, that at some point we&#8217;ll be able to convert some of these comics into animated shorts - and do both comic and animation - but that is still far far down the road.</p>
<p>At any rate, I hope that if you take a second look, maybe you&#8217;ll see some of the merits and we won&#8217;t drive you to &#8220;not actually liking webcomics anymore&#8221;. </p>
<p>Thank you again for taking the time to do the review. It is always a pleasure to read about somebody&#8217;s experience with our comic and the I.C.A. and I know the staff appreciates it!</p>
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		<title>By: delos</title>
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		<dc:creator>delos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I use the word cartoons to refer to animated shows on television. In this case, though, the comic sort of reads like a cartoon storyboard (without the in-betweens and segues.) The linework reminds me of PVP so 

It's certainly has a different feel than most comics. I wonder if it has something to do with the coloring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I use the word cartoons to refer to animated shows on television. In this case, though, the comic sort of reads like a cartoon storyboard (without the in-betweens and segues.) The linework reminds me of PVP so </p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly has a different feel than most comics. I wonder if it has something to do with the coloring?</p>
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